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and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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I think last year for the first time in

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a couple of times and she's very

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interesting comes from an amazing family

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and a great music background and uh

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she's also been a host of a TV uh show

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CMT for I think since the early 2000s

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anyway

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um she's a lot of fun looking forward to

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talking to her no blog this week uh

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Charles needed the week off so he's got

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the week off so I do want to say at the

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very end of the show 54 minutes or so as

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how long the show runs I'm gonna play a

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clip

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um now those of you who who watch things

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on my YouTube channel you've probably

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already seen it or you may have seen it

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it's a back to my series of The Listener

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encounters and she had a very she's a

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very credible person had an amazing

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sighting in Baltimore and so I'm going

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to be playing that right at the very end

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of this show after I say goodbye to

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Katie so without further Ado I shall

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bring Katie in welcome Katie hi Martin

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thank you so much for having me on fun

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thank you and uh everyone's gonna you

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know I know the first thing that's going

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to happen is everyone's going to say now

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what's that in her background is that

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Waldo

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that's little big Benny I've written

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three books about little boys oh that's

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who that is yeah if you put a hat on him

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he could almost pass for a while though

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but yeah I could see that

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and uh yes right I forgot about that

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that's who that is and uh so you've got

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a lot going on I you are one person that

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keeps yourself totally busy all the time

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I do I'm always like I'll sleep when I'm

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um I do you know what I do everything I

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enjoy and the universe has hooked me up

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with uh well allowing me to make a

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living at doing so many things I enjoy

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from the TB hosting work to writing

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books uh the children's Trilogy we can

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talk about that later uh to UFO stuff

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this has been a lifelong passion for me

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I became a realtor a couple years ago as

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you know show you a property recently

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which was such a thrill anytime I just

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hang out with a friend and I'm also

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working that's just like really fun for

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um and I sing and I write and I I'm just

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doing all the things I want to do and

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somehow

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you know the world provides and I just

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I'm going to keep going that way it may

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not be a recipe for success in a lot of

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people's eyes but I I do get bored

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easily so I'm always juggling a lot of

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stuff and that keeps me mentally

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now you also grew up with a famous

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father so yeah and what a beautiful song

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he put out in the world

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which one the I Like to Teach the World

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to Sing yes I love that one I was a

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little kid I know the Coca-Cola jingle

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it's such a blessing meeting people all

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over the world and they're like I sang

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that growing up you know I learned that

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in my school room that's that's so sweet

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I'm really proud of him his name's Roger

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cook he's actually not so famous uh

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because he's a songwriter you know um

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songwriters are usually behind the

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scenes he wasn't a band in the 70s

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called Blue mink in England and he was

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really famous when I was really I

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of a your dad with a little tiny bit of

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an accent yes yes very much I was gonna

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say I'm the one like really American

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sounding person in my whole family I'm

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um but he definitely still has his

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accent a little bit I'm really proud of

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him and I actually told my dad for the

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first time last summer about a lot of my

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paranormal and UFO experiences I don't

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know why I had never told him even

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though he's my dad

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um I finally you know bridged that

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subject with him and he could not have

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been more open-minded even had a couple

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interesting things to tell me so oh that

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was really cool yeah I'm very very proud

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of my dad I'm glad you brought him up

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he's he means a lot to me and I'm

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actually going to work on a documentary

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about him because he's had a really

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interesting life and I I'm like you know

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and I've never interviewed my dad that's

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kind of weird so I'm gonna fix that

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you've interviewed everybody that you

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can almost think of I mean when it comes

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to Dolly Parton and and uh I mean was it

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she's not Shania who was someone you

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should not have a hard time with a name

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but you were you were doing that uh

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mid-January God this year's already

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going by so fast uh yeah I got to talk

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to her in La a few weeks ago because she

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has a new album out that was really fun

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to talk to her I actually I hope I don't

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get in trouble for saying this but I

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actually asked her years ago if she had

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ever seen a UFO and uh I don't think her

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people were very pleased with me for

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asking that but she played along she was

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Willie Nelson too because I didn't ask

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Billy you can ask anything to Willie

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yeah yeah I bet yeah I played that clip

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it up Obama when you interviewed him

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person to work with I really loved that

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day yeah yeah I bet I bet so let's hear

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it's two separate things but um it's

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ufology is not necessarily normal right

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so I throw it under that umbrella

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body experiences I didn't know what they

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were I just thought I could fly and

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these were not dreams at all and I would

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their flying experiences and that was

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talk openly about anything that happens

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that's cute I have interesting dreams

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too no these aren't dreams and I

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everybody else wasn't just you know

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know yeah someone just has a comment

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jump on as a guest sometime I got really

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busy trying to launch this real estate

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career and I'm trying to get my daughter

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really tough to do it all but I miss

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them and I love them and I'm so glad you

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guys are still watching that show

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because we need that show it's it's

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entertaining and of course they have

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amazing guests just like you do Martin

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um but yeah so I just I got obsessed

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with this topic and and it's never

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conferences I think the first one I went

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to was like all the way out in Laramie

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remember Dr Leo sprinkle Leo sprinkle

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Cannon and these people changed my life

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reading Whitley strieber's communion

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I was like I'm not the only one that's

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seen and felt this weird stuff and I

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started just slowly finding my tribe I

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guess and that kind of brings us up to

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date doing some work with mufon and

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getting to co-host the podcast I have my

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own podcast for a little while wide open

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wonders but again it's a time thing oh

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yeah it's such a passion and I don't

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you really have a full plate so um I do

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it to myself someone is going to ask me

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if I don't and I like your cup too what

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is that an alien on your cup thank you

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yeah it looks kind of backwards I got

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this out in Vegas look you can spin the

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so have you yourself ever had what you

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would consider a UFO sighting

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I've never seen like a metallic craft in

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the sky I have had a couple weird things

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I've seen that I can't explain and now I

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see satellites all the time you know I

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the first couple ones I was like oh it's

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a thing and then I I realized what I was

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that she was uh I think 2019 mufon

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investigator of the year she was my

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mentor

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satellites and know the difference I saw

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she's so wonderful she helped me really

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seen and I would love your listeners to

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tell me if they've ever seen anything

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like this because I I got nothing on

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this one I was on an investigation with

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Angelia that's out in the countryside

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had a pool he had seen all kinds of

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weird stuff in the sky uh he was at

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another part of the property with

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somebody else

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um they were investigating over there

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Angelia and I were by the pool and we

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were lying back on those like

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anti-gravity chairs so I think she

278
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actually fell asleep next to me it was

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just funny I think I think I heard her

280
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snoring at one point it was late at

281
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night and I'm just looking up and I see

282
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right over my head I mean

283
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I'm not very good when I look at the sky

284
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estimate estimating how high something

285
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is I think that's really difficult if

286
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you don't have another object nearby but

287
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I would say kind of like firework height

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I mean it's nothing I could have thrown

289
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a ball at it was pretty high but it was

290
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not a planet not you know it looked like

291
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if you took a piece of chalk and broke

292
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it about an inch long and on a

293
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Blackboard use the side of it so not the

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sharp side to make a fine line but the

295
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soft side and you just made like this

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snaky

297
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um shape and I just watched it start

298
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from nothing and make this shape right

299
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over my head and then just it just faded

300
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out there's no sound there were no

301
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fireworks going on anywhere

302
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have you ever even heard of anything

303
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like that I I keep bringing that hurry

304
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up because I just I'm dying for someone

305
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to go I know exactly what that is it

306
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wouldn't have been any type of weather

307
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phenomenon or anything was that a

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perfectly clear sky perfectly clear I

309
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mean no Cloud it was it was an awesome

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night for investigating

311
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um I I mean it was just bizarre so um

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and I have seen I did see something

313
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actually right over my house that came

314
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over it it was a little bit like a

315
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satellite because you know they're real

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bright and then all of a sudden they

317
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seem to go away and that's I think them

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just turning and no longer reflecting

319
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the light but this was so low this was

320
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like airplane height planes fly over our

321
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house all the time

322
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um this was like silent and airplane

323
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height this I almost feel like I could

324
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have thrown something at it it was so

325
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look I couldn't have thrown something

326
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out that's an exaggeration but it was

327
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really low not a satellite

328
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um huh I don't know interesting yeah

329
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well and it's it's better not to you

330
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know jump to conclusions you know I mean

331
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yeah you're better off just saying

332
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just the way you are describing just the

333
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way you are

334
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very I've been very careful myself

335
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because I feel like I do this show and I

336
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have to be careful and like when I I

337
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thought I saw something and I sent it

338
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right to Mark d'antonio and uh he said

339
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well if you know the old saying it walks

340
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like a doctor that talks like a duck

341
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ball he said it walks like a you know a

342
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drone so most likely a drone but I

343
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couldn't you know I chased I chased it

344
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down where it it it appeared to have

345
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landed and there were you know it didn't

346
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look like there was anyone around but I

347
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don't know

348
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um but I'd rather say it was probably a

349
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drone and leave it at that because I

350
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feel like um you know because I do the

351
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show and I just happen to have something

352
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unusual happen I'm I'm not going I'm

353
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going to be real careful is what I'm

354
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saying yeah well when I was interviewing

355
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Jim peniston

356
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years ago you know I just said it's got

357
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to be tempting sometimes to want to fill

358
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in those gaps in your stories don't do

359
00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:01,680
it it's like stick to the facts and and

360
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I really believe in that so I don't know

361
00:14:08,329 --> 00:14:06,600
what I saw well you know that story now

362
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:08,339
that you're bringing up randallshin boy

363
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I'll tell you what that's that's such a

364
00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:12,060
convoluted thing with all all the

365
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different weird things that have

366
00:14:18,530 --> 00:14:16,380
happened and the the intra fighting you

367
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know between everyone not that they're

368
00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:19,860
really finding that there has been a lot

369
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of turmoil of Through The Years on the

370
00:14:27,769 --> 00:14:25,620
with the witnesses and things well can I

371
00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:27,779
oh sorry were you done yeah I'm done

372
00:14:30,889 --> 00:14:29,880
yeah I get excited and I'm like oh can I

373
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jump in

374
00:14:36,650 --> 00:14:32,040
um

375
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perception is everything so you can have

376
00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:39,959
the same three four people involved in

377
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an experience in a sighting and

378
00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:43,620
abduction even they're not going to come

379
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away with the same feelings and the

380
00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:46,860
exact same story it's great exactly

381
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perfectly corroborate each other but

382
00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:51,240
then things get weird that's just part

383
00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:52,680
of this phenomenon is one of the most

384
00:14:57,769 --> 00:14:54,300
frustrating parts of it because we all

385
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want hard data but people don't act

386
00:15:01,610 --> 00:15:00,300
normal in the middle of these weird

387
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encounters I mean how many times have

388
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you talked to you know an experiencer

389
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and they're like and then the weirdest

390
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,220
thing happened I came in and my dog was

391
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like on stun it should have been barking

392
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:12,120
then I went upstairs and my mother was

393
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just sitting there staring at the TV

394
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,720
like hours had passed and she didn't

395
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know everybody acted weird then we all

396
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just fell asleep like and yet this

397
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totally bizarre thing just took place

398
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and everybody's acting weird so I

399
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I bring that up to say it's it's one of

400
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the frustrating things about this

401
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phenomenon is when people start

402
00:15:34,189 --> 00:15:31,800
attacking each other because

403
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um and I I even like to talk about like

404
00:15:38,329 --> 00:15:37,019
experience or shaming you know well that

405
00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:38,339
happened to you it was negative just

406
00:15:41,870 --> 00:15:39,660
because you have a negative attitude

407
00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:41,880
about aliens or you know that's just

408
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,839
what you thought was going to happen

409
00:15:47,210 --> 00:15:45,600
that let's not shame each other I was

410
00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:47,220
not there when you had an experience you

411
00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:49,500
were not in my bedroom at 3am when that

412
00:15:53,329 --> 00:15:51,240
happened I've had good and bad

413
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:53,339
experiences we can talk about that you

414
00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:54,000
know

415
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so I just I think we need to not turn on

416
00:16:01,550 --> 00:16:00,000
each other just keep putting the data

417
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,560
out there keep talking about the facts

418
00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:03,360
don't try to fill in the gaps too much

419
00:16:07,970 --> 00:16:05,820
as frustrating as that can be for even a

420
00:16:09,650 --> 00:16:07,980
listener on a show like this

421
00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:09,660
um I agree with you 100 just put the

422
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,860
facts out there

423
00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:12,720
you know it's really something that what

424
00:16:17,389 --> 00:16:14,760
you just touched on right there is and

425
00:16:19,790 --> 00:16:17,399
I've heard it countless times is that

426
00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:19,800
two people are observing the same thing

427
00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:21,480
and

428
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:24,120
um I've even had people say that

429
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:25,800
there was someone like right beside them

430
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:27,839
that didn't even see it and they were

431
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,519
like staring at it it was like right

432
00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:31,680
there I mean that's when you go to the

433
00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:33,480
part where maybe they are manifesting it

434
00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:35,220
in their minds somewhere somewhat or

435
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,380
whatever but but I mean they'll have

436
00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:39,839
different experiences or they'll both

437
00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:42,839
have this amazing encounter and then

438
00:16:47,050 --> 00:16:44,579
they said yeah but we didn't talk about

439
00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:47,060
it that we never talked about it again

440
00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:49,139
and it's like

441
00:16:54,829 --> 00:16:52,440
I mean it's just it does the things that

442
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,839
don't make any sense almost you know I

443
00:16:58,670 --> 00:16:56,880
mean yes it seems to happen a lot

444
00:17:00,829 --> 00:16:58,680
there's so much that doesn't make sense

445
00:17:02,749 --> 00:17:00,839
and it's frustrating but

446
00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:02,759
that frustration can turn into everybody

447
00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:04,620
attacking each other and and that's what

448
00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:06,059
we shouldn't do I think everybody just

449
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:07,740
needs to keep you know

450
00:17:12,350 --> 00:17:10,559
putting the facts out there don't attack

451
00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:12,360
yeah because it is weird there's no

452
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:14,760
explanation sometimes for somebody's

453
00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:17,880
behavior and is that manipulation

454
00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:20,220
from whatever these beings are that

455
00:17:24,289 --> 00:17:22,740
we're you know interacting with are they

456
00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:24,299
doing that to us on purpose or is it

457
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,500
something within ourselves we're

458
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:27,120
protecting ourselves is there a level of

459
00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:29,700
shock that is just making us act weird

460
00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:33,000
all of the above yeah yeah

461
00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:36,360
yeah I know it's a I think as as I've

462
00:17:40,130 --> 00:17:38,700
gone along in this whole thing I it

463
00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:40,140
seems like there's just more and more

464
00:17:45,169 --> 00:17:41,340
questions

465
00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:45,179
you know and and less less answers and

466
00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:47,100
one of the things that comes up and I

467
00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:48,660
see you you know you send me into some

468
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:50,280
notes of things that you have interest

469
00:17:57,049 --> 00:17:53,520
in and one of the things you you talk

470
00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:57,059
about is about time and there is a time

471
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,980
element to this and that's come up

472
00:18:02,330 --> 00:18:01,200
lately on my show a couple of a couple

473
00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:02,340
of times

474
00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:03,900
um but

475
00:18:07,490 --> 00:18:05,460
um you know there's some type of uh

476
00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:07,500
there's a time thing in this whole thing

477
00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:10,679
and time dilation or time whatever it is

478
00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:12,299
um and maybe that has to do with the way

479
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:13,980
they get here wherever they're coming

480
00:18:18,289 --> 00:18:17,039
from I don't know I think so yeah I

481
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,299
think I want to say Whitley strieber

482
00:18:21,710 --> 00:18:19,919
might be the first person that put it

483
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,720
into my head that time travel could be

484
00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:24,240
involved that they could even be us from

485
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:26,100
the future coming back

486
00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:27,840
um and then I I've always thought about

487
00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:29,940
that but didn't really have anything to

488
00:18:34,669 --> 00:18:31,020
add to it and then reading Michael

489
00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:34,679
Masters books identified flying objects

490
00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:37,500
I think is the name of it I loved it you

491
00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:39,299
know just mixing all this science and

492
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:41,700
anthropology and it makes a lot of sense

493
00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:44,400
uh but I don't think it's the only

494
00:18:48,409 --> 00:18:46,500
answer and I think that's another thing

495
00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:48,419
that we all have to keep in mind is just

496
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:50,340
be patient and go even if we get the

497
00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:52,559
answer for one being that could be

498
00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:54,419
visiting us I still don't think visiting

499
00:18:57,289 --> 00:18:55,799
us I still don't think it's the whole

500
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:57,299
picture I mean look how many different

501
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,480
species of animals and how different all

502
00:19:03,950 --> 00:19:02,400
those humans are on earth I mean I just

503
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,960
don't I look up at the sky and I'm like

504
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:05,760
it's just not one thing visiting us and

505
00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,580
if if one kind of being has made it here

506
00:19:12,529 --> 00:19:11,100
why haven't many and the whole time

507
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:12,539
travel thing

508
00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:15,059
I mean look at where we're headed I I

509
00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:16,980
always try to be positive but I mean I

510
00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:19,140
could see God I don't know 100 000 years

511
00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:20,520
in the future we might all be living

512
00:19:25,730 --> 00:19:22,980
underground everything might be I mean

513
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:25,740
the whole AI you know merging with AI I

514
00:19:29,630 --> 00:19:26,940
don't even know if that's too far away

515
00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:29,640
which there's some good aspects of that

516
00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:31,320
and a lot of terrifying aspects

517
00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:34,020
obviously yeah I'm more terrified by

518
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,419
that and you know they're even saying

519
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:39,840
that this new uh chat gbt whatever the

520
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,900
heck it's called Uh May eliminate uh

521
00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:45,840
tens of thousands of jobs you know just

522
00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:47,160
instantly

523
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,580
well yeah it's not a huge stretch to

524
00:19:54,529 --> 00:19:52,799
picture a reality you know

525
00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:54,539
um again hopefully in the far distant

526
00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,820
future where the outside elements are

527
00:20:00,409 --> 00:19:58,200
just too harsh we've either gone off

528
00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:00,419
planet or we figured out how to separate

529
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,700
from our bodies or we are in some sort

530
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:04,799
of Matrix kind of system that's our

531
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:07,260
survival and I always say I always ask

532
00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:09,000
people do you think time travel will

533
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:11,640
ever happen and most people go well yeah

534
00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:13,500
eventually and I'm like well then it's

535
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:16,380
already here yeah that's right so I mean

536
00:20:20,510 --> 00:20:18,360
if you say something like that when I

537
00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:20,520
was a kid I used to say like the time

538
00:20:26,590 --> 00:20:22,020
travel will never happen because we

539
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:26,600
don't see anyone but maybe we are yeah

540
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,140
there you go yeah so I do think it'll

541
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:33,120
happen eventually and if

542
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,880
if it ever happens then it is happening

543
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:37,440
and there's no reason why we might not

544
00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:39,780
go back into our own timeline for any

545
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:42,620
number of things genetics samples

546
00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:46,440
whatever we need or just to observe who

547
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,600
knows so I think it just makes sense on

548
00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:50,580
so many levels but I think it's only a

549
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,980
small part of the story

550
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:55,200
right right can I tell you something

551
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:57,000
else interesting on time

552
00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:58,980
what's that I have another interesting

553
00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:01,140
time story if you're oh yes I'd love to

554
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:03,299
hear it yeah it's really quick

555
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:05,160
um well make it as quick as I can that's

556
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,799
hard for me but uh Monroe Institute

557
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:09,840
where I've been studying meditation for

558
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,179
a few years highly recommend them

559
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,039
for anyone that's interested in hardcore

560
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,840
meditation it's great

561
00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:17,520
um I had a really interesting meditation

562
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:20,700
there where I was told by one of my

563
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:23,400
guides we were in a it's called Focus 15

564
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,840
where they say that's like the level of

565
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400
no time if you've been to Monroe you

566
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:28,320
know exactly what I'm talking about this

567
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,220
guide

568
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,720
we were talking about time they say you

569
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,280
can always come here and experience no

570
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,440
time if you need to I said well I know

571
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,440
time is just it's this human construct I

572
00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:39,360
know it's not real and they were like uh

573
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,360
it is real I was like what because I

574
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:43,679
thought I was so smart you know first of

575
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,000
all I'm thinking is this really my

576
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:46,320
meditation because I should be in

577
00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:48,299
control I have the thought that time is

578
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:51,960
not real but I was quickly corrected and

579
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:53,580
they said on Earth

580
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,559
time is real because without it you

581
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,200
humans will not get your work done

582
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,659
but yes in a way time doesn't exist in

583
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:02,880
these other areas but in your human form

584
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,440
on Earth

585
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:06,179
basically time is a real thing because

586
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:08,220
you need it and I was like wow that's

587
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,780
really interesting so

588
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,700
I don't know if that makes sense but I

589
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:13,440
always like to share that little story I

590
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,419
came out of that like maybe this

591
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:17,340
meditation thing is real because that is

592
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:19,260
that was not my thought

593
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:21,240
yeah

594
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:25,500
time

595
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:28,980
can't change that yeah yeah

596
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:32,159
um so another thing you know uh you

597
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:33,720
mentioned that you think that disclosure

598
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:36,179
is already here I mean I you're not the

599
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:37,799
only one to say that that's been on this

600
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:40,020
show a lot of people say you know we've

601
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:43,860
had this slow moving disclosure over the

602
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:45,900
years and I really uh you know that that

603
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:48,960
part of it where people uh think that it

604
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,760
would be so hard to come to grips with I

605
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,620
don't think that I don't think that's

606
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,080
going to be the case these days because

607
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,600
of whatever we've had

608
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:59,640
um whatever it's been I think that we

609
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,260
have been gradually

610
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:03,360
you know um

611
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,260
primed yeah that's the word to uh to

612
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,360
accepting it and I don't think it's

613
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:11,220
going to change a lot if if we do find

614
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:14,520
out unless unless there's problems

615
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,400
like it depends what we find out I would

616
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,100
say in general Humanity has just totally

617
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:22,260
aced the test of okay there's things in

618
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:23,400
our atmosphere we don't totally know

619
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:25,980
what they are yeah we're also distracted

620
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,419
by everything else

621
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,640
um you know conspiracies aside you know

622
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,679
what's planned what isn't you know plan

623
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:34,080
distractions versus natural stuff

624
00:23:37,549 --> 00:23:35,640
um we are pretty distracted and we're

625
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,559
all just on our phones and

626
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:39,360
um it's we're finally at a point where

627
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:40,620
it's not that big a deal to say you've

628
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,360
seen something in the sky you know

629
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,799
nobody's going to lock you up for that

630
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:45,360
anymore it's gonna be like cool you got

631
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,860
some video you know you can go to work

632
00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:49,020
and talk about that and you might only

633
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,059
get a couple tinfoil joke hats at this

634
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:53,520
point so we've come a long way in that

635
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,419
area

636
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,640
um now did you actually start talking

637
00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:58,200
about

638
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:01,320
your interests in UFOs for several years

639
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:04,200
or is that has it been lately since say

640
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,520
2017 the New York Times article came out

641
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:10,980
people seem more relaxed about it since

642
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:14,880
that time no I I came pretty far out of

643
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:18,539
my UFO closet many many years ago um but

644
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:20,100
I didn't have a podcast or anything like

645
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:22,020
that but I started talking about it at

646
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:23,880
work I mean like I I was kind of known

647
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,059
as the UFO girl jokingly you know

648
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,799
the last couple decades with all my

649
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,419
co-workers all my friends I mean people

650
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:32,039
have known me my whole life are like oh

651
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,059
God you were talking about that when

652
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,520
you're a kid so I I I got I would say

653
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:37,440
not a kid but like in my teenage years I

654
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:39,299
started really opening up a lot more

655
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,980
about that in my 20s by the time I got

656
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:42,539
to my 20s I would talk to anyone about

657
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,539
it I went on a date once it was a set up

658
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,520
what do you call it a blind date

659
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:49,020
a friend of mine wanted me to go out

660
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:50,760
with this guy and we're all sitting

661
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,120
around at dinner I was God uh maybe 20

662
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,760
21 something like that and you started

663
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,320
talking about UFOs and he apparently

664
00:25:02,029 --> 00:25:00,720
quickly lost interest and told his

665
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,039
friend afterwards like well I was kind

666
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:03,600
of digging her until she started talking

667
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,100
about UFOs my friend was trying to

668
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:06,720
explain to me you can't just do that and

669
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,720
I was like oh yes I can because that's a

670
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,120
repellent for me if I can't immediately

671
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:13,679
get into that topic and somebody hang

672
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,419
with me I don't even need to go on a

673
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,520
second date with him so so no I was

674
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:19,440
always pretty open about that stuff

675
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:20,159
um

676
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:24,539
but I think I really think of you know

677
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,279
we ever see a president in the White

678
00:25:30,169 --> 00:25:28,080
House saying like they're landing on the

679
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:30,179
lawn you know people are probably going

680
00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,740
to completely flip out but basically

681
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,240
we've known now for many years our

682
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,559
government has admitted they never

683
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:37,919
really stopped studying it and

684
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,039
you know it's of great interest to them

685
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,720
and they don't know everything that's

686
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,460
flying around and US humans are handling

687
00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:46,799
it just fine so I feel like in a lot of

688
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:48,179
ways we've had disclosure it's not

689
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:49,380
exactly what I thought it would look

690
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:50,580
like

691
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,740
um but I'll bring this up too I'd love

692
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:54,720
your thoughts on this or your viewers

693
00:25:58,570 --> 00:25:56,520
thoughts

694
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,580
and that is just

695
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:01,200
sorry I'm starting to lose my voice and

696
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,820
I lost my train of thought

697
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:04,679
um oh aren't you gonna be sane later

698
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,700
tonight

699
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:08,340
no no I don't have to where was I going

700
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,480
with that thought oh I hate it when that

701
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:11,760
happens I just squirreled on myself

702
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:12,600
um

703
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:15,000
I wanted your thoughts on oh it'll come

704
00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:16,380
back to me I hate it when that happens

705
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:19,400
yeah let's go on I'll come back

706
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,100
of doing a live show

707
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:25,140
this is when these things happen

708
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,460
um

709
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,400
yeah so you're welcome to uh post the

710
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,740
people in the chat room you can post uh

711
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,140
you can post your me your questions if

712
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,260
you would like to just put them in caps

713
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,000
um you know someone wanted to know this

714
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,799
question here

715
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,720
um do you still

716
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,820
do you feel still feel as though you can

717
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:46,260
do this

718
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:47,220
um

719
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,940
Obe and how far can I go no so that's a

720
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,799
great topic to come back to I'm trying

721
00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:54,179
really hard

722
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,240
um to get back to it so when I was nine

723
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,320
years old

724
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,020
I was alone in the house my mother had

725
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,000
gone out I used to play like I was sick

726
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,799
all the time because I hated going to

727
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,900
school I hated going to school so I

728
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,400
always wanted to be home and I remember

729
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,840
one day in the middle of the afternoon I

730
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,520
was laying in her bed because that's

731
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:12,720
another weird thing I could never sleep

732
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:14,460
in my own bed that was a whole other

733
00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:16,260
weird thing

734
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:16,980
um

735
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:21,140
and I remember looking at her curtains

736
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,140
they started looking watery like

737
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,400
shimmering like kind of like a mirage

738
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:28,620
and the feeling came over me again that

739
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,940
I was going to go out of body and it

740
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:31,500
must have been a little while at that

741
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,140
point since I remember doing it and I

742
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,419
panicked and I remember just kind of

743
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:38,100
throwing a fit and saying I'm not going

744
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:40,260
I'm not doing this I'm not doing this

745
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,179
anymore and I just was like no no no no

746
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:44,159
no no and then it stopped and the

747
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:45,480
curtains were still again and everything

748
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,299
was really quiet and I was like

749
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:50,580
I'm in control this is amazing I don't

750
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,580
have to do this because at some point I

751
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,919
think it became a scary experience for

752
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:57,480
me it wasn't just flying through the

753
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:58,919
house there's something attached to it

754
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:01,020
that I don't know I'm not going to lie

755
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,340
and even try to tell you that I've

756
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,600
figured it out at some point I should

757
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,640
probably do some regression and you know

758
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:07,919
my guess is I have very broken memories

759
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:10,620
and at some point it became a very scary

760
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,279
thing for me so I shut it down and

761
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:15,840
and there's been a few times over the

762
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,919
years when I've started to get that

763
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:18,539
weird feeling again and I just shut it

764
00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:21,539
down when I was at Monroe and I did not

765
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,779
go to Monroe Institute to practice Obe a

766
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,100
lot of people go there trying to achieve

767
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:28,320
that that's not what I was there for

768
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,260
um but one night and I was just I think

769
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:33,000
drifting off to sleep I may have even

770
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,820
been asleep for just a minute and next

771
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:37,679
thing I know I was I was

772
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,620
I guess out of body I was looking down

773
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:42,240
if you've ever been there's

774
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,220
um kind of like a Lobby hang area and

775
00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:45,840
and there's like an open Landing you can

776
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,880
look down on it and I was looking down

777
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,500
at everybody around the table talking

778
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:51,240
that hadn't gone to bed yet and all of a

779
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,559
sudden the image went black and white

780
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:54,120
and it was almost like I was a security

781
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,799
camera looking down on this and I

782
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:57,840
remember thinking this isn't a dream and

783
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,600
I've I thought I felt kind of funny and

784
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,840
then in real life I started shaking like

785
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,940
like you know when you go to Like Home

786
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:07,919
Depot and you get paint mix and they put

787
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,299
them in those shakers and it's just like

788
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,720
yeah crazy I've from head to toe I could

789
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,880
not I'm not going to try to show you

790
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,840
what it looked like because I'd look

791
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,880
like a crazy person I couldn't repeat it

792
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:20,159
if I tried my body was shaking in a way

793
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:23,340
that made no sense and it scared me to

794
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,779
death and I shot up out of the bed and I

795
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:26,760
was like what's going on

796
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:29,700
but since then I did have one other

797
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,640
experience when I came back maybe about

798
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,860
a year after that experience where I got

799
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,720
it all the way up walked in but this is

800
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,880
interesting I floated down through my

801
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:41,399
mattress not up I always thought of Obe

802
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,460
as kind of floating up and flying

803
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,520
I very slowly went through my mattress

804
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,260
which makes no sense but I'm just

805
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,120
telling you what happened and I was like

806
00:29:55,850 --> 00:29:53,340
this is not a dream I'm 100 awake and I

807
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,860
remember thinking Don't Panic this time

808
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,600
one of the things I teach you at Monroe

809
00:30:01,450 --> 00:29:58,799
is instead of panicking because that

810
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:01,460
pulls you out of your Obe is to just say

811
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:04,260
this is interesting and to just kind of

812
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,820
breathe into and see how long you can

813
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,799
stretch it out so I did that I just went

814
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,539
this is interesting and I got all the

815
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,399
way down to the ground and very

816
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,200
carefully rolled over I could feel the

817
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:15,360
carpet fibers under my fingers and I

818
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:17,580
remember thinking get up slowly

819
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:20,460
got up slowly walked to the bathroom

820
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:22,919
and my husband walked in to use the

821
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,620
bathroom I won't get gross here but I

822
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,360
sat and talked to him while he's just

823
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:30,480
peeing in the middle of the night and

824
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:34,020
and I remember saying to him

825
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:36,899
hey I want to remember this I I need

826
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:39,299
some kind of uh validation or some

827
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,779
evidence to you know take back with me

828
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:44,880
from this experience and he did this

829
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:46,740
funny little thing he held up his hand

830
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,260
and then he was like how many fingers am

831
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:51,720
I holding up but I couldn't see and I

832
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,100
was like why why are you playing a game

833
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,500
with me I need something solid for us to

834
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,419
remember and he was just acting really

835
00:31:00,649 --> 00:30:59,460
weird kind of like he was half in a

836
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,659
dream state

837
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,640
he gets back up to walk towards the bed

838
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:04,740
and I'm following him and then we get

839
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,940
closer to the bend of course the lights

840
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:07,380
are out but you can see just a little

841
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,200
bit at night and all of a sudden I

842
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,240
realize we're both in the bed and I

843
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,520
start to think I'm not sure he was the

844
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:17,279
one I was just talking to and then I was

845
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,539
pretty sure there was something in the

846
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,820
corner I can't tell you what it was but

847
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:22,140
if there was kind of like a little bit

848
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:23,340
of movement and there was something dark

849
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,140
oh I'm getting the chills something dark

850
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,779
in the corner and then I freaked out and

851
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,340
I started screaming and then of course

852
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:31,080
my husband woke up and said you're just

853
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,520
having a bad dream I was like it wasn't

854
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,559
a dream so

855
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,960
that's pretty heavy duty yeah no it

856
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:38,520
wasn't pleasant at all

857
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:40,919
um was there anything there that was

858
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:44,039
actually was I actually in any danger I

859
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:45,720
don't know I talked to Angelia about it

860
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:47,220
and she's like well trust your gut she's

861
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:49,020
like when you go out of body you have to

862
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:51,059
do a lot of protection first those

863
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:52,500
spontaneous out of bodies you haven't

864
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,940
had time to protect yourself and

865
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,740
anything can be floating around and it

866
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,380
could be good or bad or neutral

867
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,260
um so that one kind of scared me but I

868
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,779
am trying really hard to get back into

869
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,220
it and work on

870
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,440
a method you know that I can trust and

871
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:09,059
just do a lot of protection with it so

872
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:10,620
that was a really long answer but all

873
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,059
that to say yeah I've had kind of a

874
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,279
couple spontaneous ones that haven't

875
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,080
gone totally great

876
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:18,120
but I really believe in it

877
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,260
ah so this kind of re when this guy put

878
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,600
this up earlier but it kind of reminded

879
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,179
you said that whatever it was put the

880
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:29,279
hands fingers behind the hand

881
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:30,899
the remote viewing they're asking if

882
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:33,059
you've ever tried that yes and that was

883
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,539
Christopher De parno I love you Chris

884
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:38,399
um I have tried a little bit of remote

885
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:40,140
viewing I don't think I'm

886
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:42,059
thinking yeah yeah

887
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:44,039
um I was talking to Tracy garbett Dolan

888
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:46,260
you know she's pretty good at it and um

889
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,140
she was kind of explaining you know some

890
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,880
of her methods and how she strengthened

891
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,840
that muscle

892
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:53,399
um I don't feel like I'm great at that

893
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:55,260
I'd I'd like to try a little bit more

894
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,919
but I'm I'm really focused right now in

895
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,720
meditation trying to go to extremely

896
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,640
deep levels I get to where I slow my

897
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:05,039
breathing down so much or probably if I

898
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,120
was hooked up to medical equipment

899
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,159
they'd be like come back but I'm really

900
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:10,799
trying to get to that point where I can

901
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:13,559
kind of be without time and and see what

902
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,399
I can

903
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,620
find in those areas really obsessed with

904
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,779
that and just trying to get information

905
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,360
um so and remote viewing is great I just

906
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:23,340
if I try something a few times and I

907
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:25,019
don't take to it I figure there's so

908
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:26,340
many other people that are great at that

909
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:27,899
I'm going to focus more on this area

910
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:30,299
sure another question that popped up

911
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:33,899
here what's your favorite UAP slash UFO

912
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:36,779
case do you have one well

913
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,260
um I am really drawn to abduction cases

914
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,659
uh I'm I'm very passionate about

915
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:44,399
experiencers and what they go through

916
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:46,019
and how they process this information

917
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,700
I'm a little bit less of a nuts and

918
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,799
bolts girl I mean nuts and bolts I think

919
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,419
we can all agree Phoenix Lights was a

920
00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:54,059
huge one I don't know exactly what it

921
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,000
was I've had some thoughts that it could

922
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,559
have been an experiment to see how

923
00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:00,000
thousands of people would react to

924
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,519
seeing a huge craft you know overhead

925
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:04,500
for such a long period of time was it

926
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,799
truly otherworldly interdimensional or

927
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:10,320
just something government related I

928
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:11,700
don't know because I wasn't there and I

929
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,780
didn't see it

930
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:14,220
um that's certainly a you know

931
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:16,500
historically Speaking In Our Lifetime a

932
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,000
really interesting one right um but I um

933
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,040
Deb Jordan Cobble is a really good

934
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,839
friend of mine I absolutely love Deb

935
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,240
Jordan and Bud Hopkins of course started

936
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,980
working with her

937
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:30,839
um in the was it in the 80s when he

938
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:34,440
wrote Intruders about Deb and her family

939
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,379
and her abduction experience and then I

940
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,139
became friends with Deb later on I love

941
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:42,179
her so much she's so oh she's so

942
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:43,800
beautiful I haven't seen her in person

943
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,940
in a while

944
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:46,859
um but she wrote a book not that long

945
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,560
ago I think I may have that let's see

946
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:52,080
yes extraordinary contact

947
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,839
she wrote this one a couple years ago I

948
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,580
highly recommend everybody read that if

949
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:58,320
you're not familiar with her story it's

950
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,560
it's it's a wild one and the the reason

951
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,599
I brought that one up is if you you've

952
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:05,040
probably interviewed Deb right I'm sure

953
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,839
you know I have not I think I might have

954
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:08,400
reached out to her or maybe I had

955
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:09,240
someone

956
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,339
have her on as a guest but I have not

957
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,980
had it wrong she is fantastic and the

958
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,440
great thing about Deb's story is

959
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:21,480
um it's just how it continued you know a

960
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,980
lot of people have that one event that

961
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,560
happened to him years ago but um she

962
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:27,780
continues to have very unusual

963
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,500
paranormal events and and she

964
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,420
the other reason I'm bringing her up is

965
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:35,760
her event you know her experience was

966
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,260
frightening

967
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:39,420
um but she has come to such great peace

968
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,359
with that later on in life and that is

969
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,920
what I need I need more stories like

970
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,900
that Kathleen Martin as well she's

971
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,359
another one you know of course she's the

972
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:51,119
niece of Betty and Barney Hill and um

973
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,839
she has really found her own way to take

974
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:55,980
something that can be frightening

975
00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:00,000
abduction is frightening and uh we had

976
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,859
her on the mufon what's up show not that

977
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,599
long ago and she was talking about how

978
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,520
in those moments she

979
00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:08,520
just out of I've got nothing to lose I'm

980
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,740
gonna just project love at these beings

981
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,420
you know like being sick of feeling

982
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,940
afraid just projecting love and how the

983
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:17,099
whole experience turned around for her

984
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,300
it became a completely different

985
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:21,599
experience and a very very positive one

986
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:25,140
so those are stories and cases that I I

987
00:36:30,829 --> 00:36:28,680
really kind of get obsessed with but

988
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:30,839
um yeah I don't know the in terms of

989
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,780
more the nuts and bolts sightings

990
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,040
mm-hmm

991
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,980
I mean obviously Roswell was huge but we

992
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:39,119
still don't know really what the heck

993
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,119
went on there right yeah that's a that's

994
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:44,160
a pretty wild case uh what's his name in

995
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:45,180
North Carolina

996
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,859
um I'm fascinated by his story Chris

997
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,680
Chris Bledsoe yes Chris Bledsoe um

998
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,300
you've probably had him on a couple

999
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,640
times right I've had him on one time

1000
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,960
I've reached out to him a few other

1001
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:56,520
times and

1002
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,020
um you know he hasn't been able to come

1003
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,780
on but I've had him on it and by the way

1004
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:03,480
Calvin Parker uh I feel like he's been a

1005
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,500
friend

1006
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:06,180
um for several years he's not doing too

1007
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:08,339
well so oh no that's right give some

1008
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:09,540
good thoughts out

1009
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:12,780
um for him yeah he's a real real fun and

1010
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,260
nice guy he's a funny guy he's a riot

1011
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:18,599
yeah yeah he's he's a lot of fun to talk

1012
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,040
to I'm very sorry to hear he's not doing

1013
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:22,740
well I'm gonna send him just a lot of

1014
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:25,740
love and power there yeah yeah but yeah

1015
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,500
that's that Pascagoula is that's that is

1016
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,119
another really

1017
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,480
a great one I I would have if I if

1018
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:36,000
people have asked me what my favorite

1019
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,980
thing is I still I'm right there with

1020
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:40,140
the Ariel school I really still think

1021
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,880
that's one of the most important ones

1022
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,040
yeah um but you know everyone can have

1023
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:45,599
their favorites I know no one asked me

1024
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,480
that question but

1025
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,220
one is that just for how many witnesses

1026
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,680
and yeah just well the whole thing about

1027
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,359
the school

1028
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:55,740
um you know I mean

1029
00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:59,640
and that you know it changed so many of

1030
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,380
you know their lives it made such an

1031
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,420
impact on them and how they were

1032
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:05,220
interviewed by John Mack right away you

1033
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,140
know within a few weeks and other people

1034
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:09,300
interviewed him right away and how the

1035
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,339
teachers had the foresight to have them

1036
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,280
all do drawings and by the way uh Gunter

1037
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,980
uh Huffer is Going to Be Our Guest next

1038
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,680
week and he was there right away uh

1039
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:21,839
right right after that happened within

1040
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,300
um within a week or so I do believe so

1041
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,760
he'll Be Our Guest next week but yeah I

1042
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:28,320
mean that's one of my that's one of my

1043
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,180
favorite cases anyway but there are a

1044
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,780
lot of really very interesting ones

1045
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,540
um you know that and and there's so much

1046
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:38,700
out there that you know it does

1047
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,220
frustrate me when I see you know CGI and

1048
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:43,140
you know people trying to hoax and

1049
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:44,820
things like that when there's so many

1050
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,220
really good ones out there and that's

1051
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,140
the tough part for anyone that's new and

1052
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,780
they're trying to understand so they

1053
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:54,000
don't go down the wrong rabbit hole and

1054
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,480
and you know start following some you

1055
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,040
know someone that's scamming or whatever

1056
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,440
you know I mean that's a that's a tough

1057
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,960
one to figure out exactly which way to

1058
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,119
go at the beginning I'm really glad you

1059
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,880
brought that up because one thing that I

1060
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:10,560
keep talking to people about right now

1061
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,700
is like

1062
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,160
I I think this is a time when we really

1063
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,440
need to go inward

1064
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:18,119
um I mean yeah it's fun to look at

1065
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,560
pictures and go is it real is it not but

1066
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:22,800
I mean my God where what what's about to

1067
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,420
happen with technology I mean it's

1068
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,180
exponential we can't even wrap our heads

1069
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,160
around what's about to go down I've been

1070
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,040
messing around with some AI artwork

1071
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,320
um just I had a project I had something

1072
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,800
uh that artwork that you've done

1073
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,240
that's old school that's just taken a

1074
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,220
picture and painting over it and yeah if

1075
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:42,960
you want to show those those yeah I'll

1076
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:44,460
show that one I got this little alien

1077
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:46,440
character that I like to put in kind of

1078
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:47,780
funny

1079
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,099
oh is it the video it might be loud

1080
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,980
volume just I I toned it down believe it

1081
00:39:57,450 --> 00:39:55,200
okay

1082
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,460
everybody

1083
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:01,440
[Music]

1084
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,569
that's right yeah

1085
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:30,960
I have so much fun doing those guys I

1086
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:33,060
like to I call it alienating and I take

1087
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:34,859
like weird thrift store pictures and

1088
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:36,359
stuff and paint aliens in it I have a

1089
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,560
lot of fun with that but what I was

1090
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,060
going to say is like you know these days

1091
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,099
a real picture looks fake a fake picture

1092
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,500
looks real there we can now do stuff

1093
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,599
with our you know you can just speak a

1094
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,040
few words well I think you talk for

1095
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,200
about 30 minutes and then that app can

1096
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,420
basically recreate you talking saying

1097
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,940
anything gone are the days when you just

1098
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:55,619
Photoshop somebody to make them look

1099
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:57,180
like they did something they didn't do I

1100
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:59,460
mean we're about to blast into territory

1101
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,079
where I even wonder what it's going to

1102
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,780
do for our like

1103
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,000
oh gosh like

1104
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,920
our criminal system like I like how

1105
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,220
we're even going to prove or disprove

1106
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,740
things like it's about to go into the

1107
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,040
wild west with technology and so I know

1108
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:18,480
that we're just talking about like the

1109
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:21,780
Deep fakes that they can do yes I mean

1110
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:24,180
it looks just like someone talking a war

1111
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,040
could start over that that's what I'm

1112
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:28,800
saying this is a time I mean maybe it's

1113
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,359
too late for us I hope not I don't ever

1114
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:32,099
want to be that negative but this is a

1115
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:33,960
time when we all need to go really deep

1116
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,660
into our own personal experiences was it

1117
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,060
real to me like I think gone are the

1118
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,079
days where you just show someone a

1119
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:41,520
picture and be like will you tell me if

1120
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,839
this really happened to me or not it's

1121
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,579
like we have to be so aware of our own

1122
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:46,500
experiences and Trust our gut and

1123
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:48,300
whether it's through meditation or

1124
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:50,220
prayer or whatever's your thing but like

1125
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,400
if this is happening you need to make a

1126
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,720
really deep connection that doesn't

1127
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,000
involve necessarily an expert anymore

1128
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:59,400
telling you what happened because we're

1129
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,780
at that point now I don't know how we're

1130
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,000
gonna know you know and that's

1131
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,760
that's really frightening actually yeah

1132
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:08,880
and then when it comes to just the UFO

1133
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,940
topic itself you know it's like now

1134
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:14,640
there's a Skylink and there's you know

1135
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:16,380
these all these different things that

1136
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,320
you know people are it's not going to be

1137
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,359
easier the drones drones are getting

1138
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:23,760
more sophisticated and all that and then

1139
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:25,020
whatever the government's going to be

1140
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:26,460
doing it's going to be harder and harder

1141
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,980
to tell what's coming from elsewhere and

1142
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:30,960
what's coming you know what what's ours

1143
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:34,380
but I do think

1144
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:35,040
um

1145
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,540
oh and this might be where I was going

1146
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:39,359
earlier uh wanting to get your viewers

1147
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,680
thoughts but

1148
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:42,599
when you have an experience you know in

1149
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,800
the middle of the night if there's a

1150
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:46,260
creature there or something like that I

1151
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:48,060
I don't know that I agree you know

1152
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:49,619
there's some I don't want to name names

1153
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,380
but there's some researchers

1154
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,040
newfologists that are like oh that's

1155
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,839
just government stuff you know my lab or

1156
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:56,220
what do they call it

1157
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:57,720
um I really don't think I'm that

1158
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:59,160
important I really don't think anyone

1159
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:00,599
from the government is concerned about

1160
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,460
coming into my bedroom and scaring me in

1161
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,319
the middle of the night I'm pretty sure

1162
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,540
I'm just not that high on their radar

1163
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,680
you know

1164
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:09,060
um yeah

1165
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,160
I do think I mean because there's a lot

1166
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:13,560
of abductees that you know they remember

1167
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,060
their encounter and they're like they're

1168
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,579
humans dressed in military stuff that's

1169
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:20,160
so strange to me I don't yeah you know

1170
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,140
so is are some governments involved in

1171
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,180
this kind of thing it probably I don't

1172
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,980
know but um

1173
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:27,900
I think we are at that point where it

1174
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,599
would be so easy to fake you know

1175
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:32,220
something in the sky that millions of

1176
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,000
people

1177
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,040
see over hours and hours and it could

1178
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,079
literally just be something fake I think

1179
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,640
we are at that point of Technology we've

1180
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:40,740
probably been there for a long time and

1181
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,740
um so what does that mean for us I think

1182
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:45,900
one we've got to quit turning on each

1183
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,579
other that you know we're so easily

1184
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,740
controlled when we're afraid and we've

1185
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,020
all got to do our own personal work you

1186
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:54,480
know to find our piece with this topic

1187
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,520
and if we're being contacted that I

1188
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,599
think it just becomes a really personal

1189
00:44:03,710 --> 00:43:59,940
thing I guess is what I'm getting at

1190
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:03,720
mm-hmm no without that all makes total

1191
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,880
sense to me I like this question from

1192
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,160
Christopher Miller what was your most

1193
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,800
interesting interview and why was it the

1194
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,780
most interesting interview

1195
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,640
well I guess they're probably talking

1196
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:17,400
about ufology oh no I think they're

1197
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:19,079
they're talking about maybe the

1198
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,520
different people you've interviewed over

1199
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:22,859
the years I that's how I took it well

1200
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,300
okay I'll go with a couple different

1201
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:26,760
answers Dolly Parton all day long is

1202
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,809
uh wasn't bad talking to George Clooney

1203
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,740
that was kind of fun

1204
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,720
um somebody who just popped into my head

1205
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,980
I tried to go with like the first things

1206
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,480
that come into my head

1207
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:41,579
um on move on WhatsApp we talked to Mike

1208
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:46,200
clelland and I he's coming up on this

1209
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,980
show in a few weeks yeah I love what

1210
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:51,119
he's doing

1211
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,680
um he just

1212
00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,960
he just kind of walks in synchronicity

1213
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,819
and that's a really big part of my life

1214
00:45:01,250 --> 00:44:58,800
too I know it is for you too Martin it's

1215
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:01,260
like those are little place markers I

1216
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:03,060
think you know when you have weird Deja

1217
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:04,920
Vu bizarre synchronicities when you're

1218
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,380
just in that flow and and he talks all

1219
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:09,839
about that in his book Messengers and

1220
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,060
um he's not just the owl guy uh the owl

1221
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:13,680
thing comes up over and over and over

1222
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,819
again with him but there's this

1223
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:16,560
wonderful deeper message behind it and

1224
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:18,060
it's all tied into ufology and

1225
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:19,859
paranormal stuff in general and just

1226
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,859
human connection I just really resonated

1227
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:25,200
with I think I've read two of his books

1228
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,819
but I feel like he's I think I've read

1229
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:29,520
two of them uh really really enjoyed

1230
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,260
talking to him so you're basically gonna

1231
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:33,000
absolutely love that

1232
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:36,359
yeah a funny thing is the first time I

1233
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,099
met Mike and talked to him or whatever

1234
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,960
and I watched him speak

1235
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:41,640
um he was up in Maine at a conference

1236
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:45,060
that I was going to and that morning

1237
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:46,980
um it was early in the morning was still

1238
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,400
dark out right outside of my window and

1239
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:53,040
the only time it ever happened was an

1240
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,660
owl hooting

1241
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,119
and I had no idea that I was going to

1242
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:59,099
see this guy talk about owls the next

1243
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:02,220
day yeah I mean what are the I mean it

1244
00:46:06,290 --> 00:46:04,200
was just a weird coincidence I feel like

1245
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:06,300
he's I don't think he'd mind me saying

1246
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,319
this I think it's actually a real

1247
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:09,900
compliment I think he's somebody that is

1248
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:11,339
uh

1249
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,880
interesting way he he is a messenger on

1250
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,640
this planet he's waking us up to you

1251
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:22,440
know our own potential and he's so

1252
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:24,660
humble you know I think he really just

1253
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:27,420
feels like the messenger you know um and

1254
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,220
he's very special I really I I've

1255
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:31,200
enjoyed everyone I've talked to um yeah

1256
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,940
I'd love to having you on the show I

1257
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,920
mean you've interviewed everybody so

1258
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:37,260
you're like this walking Encyclopedia of

1259
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:39,780
all things ufology and that's oh well

1260
00:46:44,589 --> 00:46:42,660
that's a great thing well I'm just the

1261
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,599
armchair guy

1262
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:47,520
well I don't know you didn't have you

1263
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,079
yeah you've talked on your show about

1264
00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:51,540
what you witnessed yeah I did have I

1265
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:53,640
definitely had yes I definitely had a

1266
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:55,500
sighting but I I say this all the time

1267
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:57,240
because I think it's kind of funny is I

1268
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:58,680
I had

1269
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:01,079
that was not the most exciting thing

1270
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,760
I've seen in the sky

1271
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,800
I had a fireball that didn't even make

1272
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:06,900
any sense that was that flew over me and

1273
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,020
that was really you also and this thing

1274
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,200
was uh was uh perfectly round it had

1275
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,180
cracks on it Sparks coming out of the

1276
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,540
cracks and rotating and made no noise as

1277
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,579
it went right over my head you know that

1278
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:22,980
was that was more bizarre than the uh

1279
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:25,500
the UFO was just it was there and it

1280
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,380
moved and it stopped and you know it and

1281
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,859
it really was pretty amazing but that

1282
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,780
was more dramatic the fireball was much

1283
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:36,000
more dramatic and uh it's funny I talked

1284
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:37,560
about that on the show and I said it was

1285
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:40,740
somewhere around you know 1985 six maybe

1286
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,160
eighty somewhere around there 87 and uh

1287
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,560
someone called me from uh not called me

1288
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,000
that wrote me from Canada and said

1289
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:50,339
they're grandparents and described the

1290
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:53,220
same thing in the 1980s okay well mine

1291
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:56,339
was probably 87 I had it tattooed on my

1292
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,720
stomach and if my stomach were still

1293
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,579
nice and flat and I had some ABS I would

1294
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,960
probably stand up and show it to you but

1295
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,240
I'm not going to traumatize you

1296
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:05,579
um but it was inspired by this Fireball

1297
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,619
completely silent overhead my friend

1298
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:09,300
Thomas was in the car with me it was

1299
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:11,099
late it was probably two in the morning

1300
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,319
we had been out having a good time but I

1301
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:16,079
was driving so I was sober and it was

1302
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:17,220
like

1303
00:48:24,050 --> 00:48:21,960
planet was gonna crash into the Earth it

1304
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:24,060
was round and it had these Flames coming

1305
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,980
out of it that was like it kind of

1306
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,480
almost looked like rainbow colors like

1307
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:29,579
purple and red and so maybe it's just

1308
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,140
something burning up into the atmosphere

1309
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,599
but it was silent and it seemed so low

1310
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:36,000
we were on Belmont Boulevard in

1311
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:37,380
Nashville the Belmont College was

1312
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:39,900
straight ahead and I was like we drove

1313
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,980
down the end of the road because I

1314
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,180
thought somehow it was going to crash

1315
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:44,640
you know I did too this is weird what if

1316
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:52,069
I'd say anywhere between 85 and 80. I

1317
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,060
know the house I owned and where I lived

1318
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:56,880
and and um yeah it was in it was in the

1319
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,220
late 80s and of course what seemed

1320
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,140
overhead to us again when you're in this

1321
00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:02,640
when you're looking in the sky it's like

1322
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:04,819
it was right over my head obviously

1323
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,839
it seemed like I could have almost

1324
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:08,700
thrown a ball up to it or something yeah

1325
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:10,200
that was crazy

1326
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,079
but yeah it it is

1327
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,880
um so here's another question here I

1328
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:17,040
don't know if you've ever even thought

1329
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,140
about this uh what do you think about

1330
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,240
the religious Theory you know that there

1331
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:23,400
are Fallen Angels there are people that

1332
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:26,220
also say this could be demonic you know

1333
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,720
there's the people they have of that

1334
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:29,880
thoughts as well yeah

1335
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:30,900
um

1336
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:34,740
really big part of your life then

1337
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,119
obviously everything can be painted

1338
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,880
through that possibly I I tell you what

1339
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,319
I don't believe anybody that tells me

1340
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:42,240
100 what they think is going on because

1341
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,040
I think it could be all of the above I

1342
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:46,200
think it could be a moving Target I

1343
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:48,060
think it could change

1344
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:51,180
um I've had good and bad experiences

1345
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:52,500
I've had

1346
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,660
um and I I don't tell a lot of the

1347
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,400
details of the negative ones because I I

1348
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:58,079
still I've got three kids and two of

1349
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,220
them are in high school and I'm not

1350
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,480
going to do that to them I think it's

1351
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:03,000
kind of weird them out a lot but um I've

1352
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:04,560
had a couple experiences with entities

1353
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:08,220
that I I felt in my gut were not good at

1354
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,020
all and they were very very frightening

1355
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,060
I wouldn't say necessarily demonic but

1356
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:14,099
I'm not terribly religious so I don't

1357
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,260
filter things that way but they were

1358
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:18,599
very negative and and I've also had a

1359
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,180
couple experiences that felt truly

1360
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,520
Angelic and again I'm not religious but

1361
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,079
I I would have walked away with these

1362
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,240
beings and never come back it felt that

1363
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,700
positive and loving so I get the whole

1364
00:50:33,250 --> 00:50:32,280
kind of Good and Evil comparison

1365
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,260
um

1366
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:35,400
it could be us from the future they

1367
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,599
could be coming from a million different

1368
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,520
planets they could be interdimensional

1369
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:41,280
they could be Angels and Demons could be

1370
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,839
all of the above and I think what really

1371
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,119
matters is what your experience is what

1372
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:46,800
it means to you and how you process it

1373
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:48,420
and how you handle it

1374
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,660
because everybody's different and all of

1375
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:52,920
our experiences are a little bit

1376
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,740
different yeah now we've only got a few

1377
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,540
minutes left believe it or not it sure

1378
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,579
sure goes really fast

1379
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,619
um you are you are writing a book are

1380
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,839
you writing a book did you say that yeah

1381
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:06,720
and it's a fiction right is that it is

1382
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,460
it's uh it's based Loosely on some of my

1383
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:13,440
encounters and some of my thoughts about

1384
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:15,180
this uh but it's it's going to be around

1385
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:18,660
the hybrid uh topic because I I

1386
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,460
absolutely believe that's real I don't

1387
00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:22,200
think thousands of women all around the

1388
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,940
world having the exact same experiences

1389
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,400
just made up or some Mass delusion their

1390
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,079
pregnancies that are there and then they

1391
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:30,240
go away and then these abductions that

1392
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,520
happen later where they see you know a

1393
00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:34,740
child on a craft I I believe these women

1394
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:38,900
and so I'm writing a story based on that

1395
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:42,240
and it's it's coming together pretty

1396
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:43,260
well

1397
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,760
um that's another thing I'm just trying

1398
00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:46,319
to find enough time to get it done but I

1399
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:48,059
hope by the end of the year to

1400
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,000
possibly have that ready to publish

1401
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:53,460
okay and we have three minutes left I'm

1402
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:55,500
wondering if you can fill us on real

1403
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:58,200
quickly you had like you grew up in what

1404
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,300
you thought was a haunted house oh gosh

1405
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:02,099
it's right around the corner from here

1406
00:52:09,049 --> 00:52:07,500
really so yeah cold spots and even like

1407
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,059
totally normal adults that didn't

1408
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,559
believe in paranormal stuff at all would

1409
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,720
come into this house and be like oh what

1410
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:14,720
is up with this place it's it's really

1411
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:17,160
spooky and um

1412
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:19,260
yeah that I think maybe was when I

1413
00:52:22,970 --> 00:52:21,059
started with my whole I can't sleep in

1414
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,980
my bed alone and this is so mean I'll

1415
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,660
make this quick but I'm one of three

1416
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:26,520
kids I'm the youngest they used to send

1417
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,740
us upstairs everybody's around the fire

1418
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,440
watching Saturday Night Live or you know

1419
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:33,240
happy days or whatever and they would

1420
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,700
send us up by age so I'd have to go

1421
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:38,640
upstairs in this spooky ass house all by

1422
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:39,780
myself

1423
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:41,579
and then my brother would come up he's

1424
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:42,839
in a different room finally my sister

1425
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:44,099
would come up like an hour later and

1426
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:45,660
just be sitting there for an hour like

1427
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,960
um

1428
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:48,000
[Music]

1429
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,800
um so yeah it was a really scary house

1430
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,839
you know graveyard right in the yard

1431
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,579
little Cemetery for the family that

1432
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:55,319
built the place and it was spooky as

1433
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:57,059
hell but that started my ghost hunting

1434
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,920
that that was um we'll have to do

1435
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,359
another talk about that sometime and

1436
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,640
I'll get my EVPs and

1437
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,559
yeah I'm really into that and I actually

1438
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,480
think it's all kind of related

1439
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,460
yeah you know you're not the first one

1440
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,200
to say that either I've heard a lot of

1441
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,000
people say that think they're connected

1442
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:14,579
there's a guy named Paul Eno that has a

1443
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,900
really good theory about that I don't

1444
00:53:20,569 --> 00:53:17,520
know if you know who he is I don't think

1445
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:20,579
he's uh he does mostly I think he's

1446
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:23,099
um he does mostly like a radio show but

1447
00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:25,020
he's out there but he thinks they're all

1448
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,859
uh all connected well yeah Ann strieber

1449
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:30,300
I know you got to go but you know Ann

1450
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,980
strieber used to read all those letters

1451
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,119
that went to Whitley and a lot of people

1452
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:34,800
see their dead loved one

1453
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:39,000
with the grays right right well Katie

1454
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,079
thank you so much it's been a real

1455
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:42,359
pleasure thank you so much and thank you

1456
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,280
listeners for putting up with me being a

1457
00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:47,460
little add yeah no really enjoyed it

1458
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,980
thank you take care all right

1459
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:51,780
all right everyone goodbye over there at

1460
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:54,780
kgra radio and for those of you that are

1461
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,280
hanging out here in YouTube and you

1462
00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:58,800
haven't seen this encounter yet it's

1463
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:02,040
really interesting and it's by uh Carol

1464
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:15,000
everything

1465
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:16,329
[Music]

1466
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:20,520
okay back by popular demand is our UAP

1467
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,380
UFO encounter clips and I was contacted

1468
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,599
actually you were in the last show in

1469
00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:30,480
the chat room and I said email me right

1470
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,579
yep yep so uh Carolyn Carol Klein and uh

1471
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,079
if you would can you give us a little

1472
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:38,760
first of all a little bit of your

1473
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:39,960
background and go right into the

1474
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:42,300
encounter if you would sure

1475
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,780
um I am a Air Force brat my first 10

1476
00:54:50,089 --> 00:54:47,940
years of life were spent being raised on

1477
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:50,099
military bases and I loved every minute

1478
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:51,780
of it by the way that that wasn't a

1479
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,099
complaint

1480
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,500
um my dad died before

1481
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,960
um he retired from the Air Force we uh

1482
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,760
my mother and I traveled up here to

1483
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:01,500
Maryland to meet my brother who got a

1484
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:03,960
discharge from the Navy and we settled

1485
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,099
here

1486
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,079
um and I spent all of the rest of my

1487
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:09,599
life in the Baltimore area I live in a

1488
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:11,940
suburb of Baltimore

1489
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,839
um I am 64 now I been in higher

1490
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:18,720
education for well over 30 years I spent

1491
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,720
the last almost 30 years at a urban

1492
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:24,079
community college in Baltimore city

1493
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,760
where I teach mostly developmental

1494
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,339
riding uh first year college riding

1495
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:31,319
vocational writing you know skill

1496
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,859
classes to my students so

1497
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,900
um I don't have children because I

1498
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,660
always say that my students were more

1499
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,000
than enough for me too

1500
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:44,460
to deal with they were my children yeah

1501
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,819
no matter what their age is so yeah all

1502
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:50,880
right so uh yeah let's talk about this

1503
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:54,119
was just in December last year yeah very

1504
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,720
not not so long ago very recent before

1505
00:56:03,230 --> 00:55:59,640
we get into that

1506
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,240
um what was your idea about UFOs prior

1507
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:05,280
to this happening

1508
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,800
um I was a resist what I call a

1509
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,960
resistant believer

1510
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,660
um I didn't I I believe that these

1511
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:14,460
things existed

1512
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:16,980
um and I I have a strong suspicion that

1513
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:20,400
they aren't uh you know made here not

1514
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,400
made domestically shall we say

1515
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,920
um but I didn't want to believe it uh

1516
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,599
you know I have real mixed emotions

1517
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,640
about this I know that there are people

1518
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,940
in the UFO Community who you know are

1519
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:35,160
are you know flagging wanting to flag

1520
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,740
these folks down or beings down and

1521
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,780
invite them in and so on and I I'm not

1522
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
so sure that's a great idea you know

1523
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:44,400
given cattle mutilations and everything

1524
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:47,339
else I I'm not completely convinced that

1525
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:50,700
these are uh benevolent beings so that's

1526
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:53,400
mixed emotions I guess is how I would

1527
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:57,000
best describe it yeah okay so let's get

1528
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,319
into December of 2022. yeah

1529
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:02,400
I

1530
00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:06,839
sent to you describing the incident that

1531
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:09,480
I have a habit of falling asleep way too

1532
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:11,400
early in the evening and then waking up

1533
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:13,619
you know by mid morning like around

1534
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:16,980
three or four before the the Sun is up

1535
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,859
and usually I'll you know answer some

1536
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,839
emails and stuff and when I get bored I

1537
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,359
grab some coffee grab the dog and we

1538
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:26,640
traveled just down the road about you

1539
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,180
know maybe a mile to a parking lot where

1540
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:32,460
there is a donut shop where lots of

1541
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:34,140
commuters are coming through or you know

1542
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,119
early morning traffic and stuff so I

1543
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:38,700
feel relatively safe there this one

1544
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,339
particular morning I forgot to let my

1545
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,500
little dog down in the grass to relieve

1546
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,079
itself and so I realized he was

1547
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,900
squirming a bit on the ride to the donut

1548
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:50,760
shop parking lot and I thought well I'll

1549
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:53,460
just stop at this uh Business Park that

1550
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:56,280
I frequent where lots of dog walkers uh

1551
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,680
use the paths and so on and so forth I

1552
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,480
thought it's always been safe so I'll

1553
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:02,339
stop there and let him out and so that

1554
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:05,400
that's what I did he started pulling me

1555
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,460
down the the walk toward a really dark

1556
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:10,680
area and I didn't want to go that far

1557
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,780
down and into the dark so I picked him

1558
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:15,839
up and as I was turning around with him

1559
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:18,540
something caught my eye and that

1560
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:21,540
something was you've seen a Street Lamp

1561
00:58:27,049 --> 00:58:24,359
before you know the tall Street lamps

1562
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:27,059
and you know how bright and white they

1563
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:30,660
are this was brighter and wider than

1564
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:33,720
anything I've seen before and I knew it

1565
00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:36,960
wasn't the Street Lamp and so and I

1566
00:58:41,289 --> 00:58:38,700
think deep down inside I knew what it

1567
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:41,299
was but I went through like this little

1568
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,000
index card box in my mind you know is it

1569
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:47,760
is it a drone is it a helicopter is it a

1570
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:50,520
you know is it are you hallucinating and

1571
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:52,859
it wasn't any of that it was something

1572
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,559
very different so I thought you know

1573
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,599
just in case this happens to be

1574
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,799
something oh I don't know

1575
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,660
extraterrestrial let me get into the

1576
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,119
parking garage so I went into the lower

1577
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,799
level of the parking garage it's one of

1578
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,200
those multi-tier things for businesses

1579
00:59:12,289 --> 00:59:09,780
and I flattened myself up against the

1580
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,299
wall and watched it

1581
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,119
um and you know I forgot to say that I

1582
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:17,520
had unfortunately parked my car a little

1583
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,280
too far away to get to and to get out of

1584
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:23,339
there and when I did park my car I left

1585
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:26,339
my cell phone in there so I didn't have

1586
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:28,500
a you know any means of communication

1587
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:31,619
any way of telling time any camera

1588
00:59:38,089 --> 00:59:35,099
and so um so I was left to just observe

1589
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:38,099
and to do a rough estimate of how long

1590
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:39,900
this all took

1591
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:43,020
um I would say was probably 20 minutes

1592
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,240
I'm not a great calculator here but I

1593
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:48,240
think around 20 minutes and I can tell

1594
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,180
you I'm I'm a practicing Catholic and I

1595
00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,520
tend to pray a lot I do rosary and stuff

1596
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,099
I have never prayed as hard as I prayed

1597
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,520
in that parking garage oh wow I was

1598
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:01,740
begging God please make this thing go

1599
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:04,200
away please I gotta get out of here you

1600
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:05,160
know and

1601
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,799
um and it stayed and stayed uh now

1602
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:10,079
meanwhile uh were

1603
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:12,299
were people driving in and out of the

1604
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,940
garage did you notice that it was so

1605
01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:16,440
early this was really before they

1606
01:00:24,289 --> 01:00:20,900
started coming I did see the uh area uh

1607
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:24,299
neighbors uh townhouse development and a

1608
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,059
apartment complex and so I did see one

1609
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:29,520
or two cars leave I guess there were

1610
01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:31,799
commuters going going into Washington or

1611
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,760
something

1612
01:00:37,069 --> 01:00:34,319
um and I thought it was so funny I

1613
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:37,079
watched one at I think it was a guy I

1614
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:39,540
could kind of see the the profile

1615
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,940
um and he right underneath of it he went

1616
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:43,980
right under it and and I thought well

1617
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,720
you didn't get sucked up into the craft

1618
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,240
so you know maybe there's hope yet I

1619
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:50,880
don't know and how how did the dog react

1620
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:54,420
did he react at all you know he didn't

1621
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:56,760
and and that amazes me because I do hear

1622
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,680
that sometimes animals you know start to

1623
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:01,440
act up when something but not mine I

1624
01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:03,900
mean we're talking about the most Placid

1625
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,299
poodle in the entire world I mean you

1626
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:07,920
know he just he just was looking around

1627
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,960
he didn't know what was going on

1628
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:12,299
okay and so why don't you describe what

1629
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:13,559
you were looking at

1630
01:01:20,829 --> 01:01:17,280
well where I saw it it was interesting

1631
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:20,839
because it sort of glided into position

1632
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,299
no sound no emissions just that bright

1633
01:01:29,210 --> 01:01:27,599
light as it was gliding into uh into

1634
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:29,220
position and I didn't mention this to

1635
01:01:32,569 --> 01:01:30,540
you in your email I happen to remember

1636
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:32,579
late uh later

1637
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:35,880
um it went over one of the businesses uh

1638
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:37,559
the areas of the business park where

1639
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:39,900
there was some lighting and so you could

1640
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:42,420
see underneath of the of the UFO or

1641
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:45,059
whatever this was

1642
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,920
um and you could kind of see something

1643
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:49,200
under it like it that had something

1644
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,760
almost looked like a little bit of

1645
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:53,520
scaffolding or something there but I

1646
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:55,980
could tell that it was round

1647
01:02:02,089 --> 01:01:59,400
um and as I said very white very bright

1648
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:02,099
it just kind of moved over into position

1649
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,880
and just stayed and and and and no no

1650
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:08,880
sound no anything

1651
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:11,640
um interesting interesting

1652
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:12,540
um

1653
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:16,799
so you were there about 20 minutes and

1654
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:18,780
um and then the thing

1655
01:02:22,849 --> 01:02:21,420
what it you told me in the email so why

1656
01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,859
don't you continue what you saw happen

1657
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:25,799
right um I remember

1658
01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:28,859
okay oh God please don't let that shaft

1659
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,839
of life that you see in the movies you

1660
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,400
know suddenly click and guess what

1661
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:34,619
happened the shaft of light clicked on

1662
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:37,140
and I thought okay so this is the part

1663
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:38,819
in like you know one of those movies

1664
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:41,579
about UFOs where either aliens come down

1665
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,619
that Shaft or you get sucked up into

1666
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,780
this ship and I thought oh God I don't

1667
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:47,520
want to go on I don't want to go on any

1668
01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:49,380
you know Intergalactic rides this

1669
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,500
morning please spare me

1670
01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:54,000
so it was it like a shaft of light that

1671
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:56,520
came down yeah it was uh it wasn't

1672
01:03:02,690 --> 01:02:58,920
straight it kind of spread out you know

1673
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:02,700
it it was almost triangular in fact part

1674
01:03:07,730 --> 01:03:05,099
of it was over the thing was sort of

1675
01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:07,740
over the trees and also over a little

1676
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:10,200
lane that that you know there's there's

1677
01:03:15,770 --> 01:03:11,880
a little area there

1678
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:15,780
um and so I know that I saw that shaft

1679
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:16,859
of light

1680
01:03:23,030 --> 01:03:19,559
hit you know go all the way down to the

1681
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:23,040
pavement on the lane I saw it and and I

1682
01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:25,140
and I know why I saw it because I kept

1683
01:03:28,490 --> 01:03:26,700
thinking please don't let anything come

1684
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,500
off of this craft you know I was looking

1685
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,000
to see if anything was going to be

1686
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,680
deposited

1687
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,660
um and then I guess I would estimate

1688
01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:35,280
that maybe that stayed on about five

1689
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:37,140
minutes because I remember calculating

1690
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,299
what do I do if I see something you know

1691
01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:41,099
can I run fast enough because I hear

1692
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:43,619
these things are pretty fast you know

1693
01:03:50,349 --> 01:03:46,380
um but anyway that as fast as it came on

1694
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,359
it clicked off the light the the UFO

1695
01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:52,799
went dark

1696
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:54,299
um I stayed there for a few minutes

1697
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,859
thinking just because it's dark doesn't

1698
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,599
mean it's gone

1699
01:04:02,569 --> 01:03:59,940
um but I didn't I didn't sense anything

1700
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:02,579
was still there and so I made a run for

1701
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:05,460
it I went to my car and got out of there

1702
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:10,619
hmm and so you you did you call the

1703
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,380
police right away I got to my original

1704
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:15,420
destination which was the donut shop

1705
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,440
parking lot and I parked and I you know

1706
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:21,480
isn't that a strange idea to call the

1707
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,460
police about a UFO I mean no because

1708
01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:25,920
that's what I did I did the same thing

1709
01:04:31,549 --> 01:04:29,099
good good I'm happy I'm happy to hear

1710
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:31,559
that so I didn't know what to do so yeah

1711
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,520
who do you call I mean you know so

1712
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:38,160
um I called and a very nice young man

1713
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,500
answered the phone at this Precinct and

1714
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,720
he didn't laugh at me and I said you

1715
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:43,680
know I know you're going to think I'm

1716
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,540
crazy but here's what I just saw I said

1717
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:47,280
has anybody else reported it he said no

1718
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:49,380
we had I think he said that there was a

1719
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,940
domestic disturbance or something that

1720
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:52,559
they had a call for something like that

1721
01:04:55,789 --> 01:04:54,180
he said that's all we've had this

1722
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,799
morning he said would you like to talk

1723
01:05:01,010 --> 01:04:57,599
to somebody at the non-emergency number

1724
01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:01,020
I said sure you know and so a woman

1725
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,819
picked up the phone she was sort of like

1726
01:05:06,289 --> 01:05:04,559
you know it was kind of like Dragnet she

1727
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:06,299
was just just the facts ma'am she was

1728
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:08,819
polite but that's all she wanted and so

1729
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,740
I told her what had happened and so she

1730
01:05:14,089 --> 01:05:12,180
said okay thank you and I said well wait

1731
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,099
wait I said I have something else to say

1732
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:15,839
I said I want to thank you for you know

1733
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,359
ridiculing me because I know that you

1734
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:19,980
know sometimes that happens you think

1735
01:05:24,349 --> 01:05:21,900
that there's a nut on the phone and she

1736
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:24,359
says oh she says everybody who's called

1737
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,220
in about this has said the same thing I

1738
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,280
said wait everybody she says yeah she

1739
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,319
says other people have seen it she said

1740
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:33,839
but just not in your area so it had been

1741
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:36,660
traveling through evidently so tell me

1742
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:39,240
what the exact data that was then

1743
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:41,339
what do you mean that's that the exact

1744
01:05:47,809 --> 01:05:44,700
December what December 10th December

1745
01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:47,819
10th 2022. and I asked about I saw it

1746
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:49,859
around 6 30 in the morning the sun had

1747
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:51,240
not come up yet

1748
01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:54,000
the reason I'm saying asking that is to

1749
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:55,559
get an accurate date for anyone else

1750
01:06:01,130 --> 01:05:57,960
that may watch this video and may have

1751
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:01,140
witnessed it or know someone so um

1752
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:04,740
now let's you go back to the where you

1753
01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:07,799
you were when this happened and tell us

1754
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,339
what you saw that made the light strange

1755
01:06:19,390 --> 01:06:17,390
stay in the daylight I'm not I'm no fool

1756
01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:19,400
I I don't go back to the dark anymore

1757
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:22,980
but I stood where I was

1758
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:25,380
um in that parking garage and I

1759
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:29,039
reenacted what had happened and as much

1760
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:31,799
as I tried I could not figure out how I

1761
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,420
saw that shaft of light because the

1762
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:35,280
trees would have blocked it

1763
01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:39,359
so the trees where it was but how would

1764
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:41,339
you judge how far away it was from you

1765
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,559
that would be very difficult I did a

1766
01:06:50,289 --> 01:06:46,079
rough estimate and I figured it was

1767
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:53,210
so if it was indeed that far away then

1768
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,319
it would almost seem impossible you'd

1769
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:57,599
see the light shaft go to the ground or

1770
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,420
the whole craft yeah

1771
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,520
are you saying the whole crafter just

1772
01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:05,039
the light going I thought what what I

1773
01:07:09,529 --> 01:07:07,260
saw that morning was everything

1774
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,539
now I mean that's all the craft I Saw

1775
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:11,579
The Light et cetera et cetera I Saw The

1776
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,740
Light hit the pavement

1777
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:16,200
um but when I went back I could see I

1778
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:17,640
could see how I could have seen the

1779
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,220
craft because obviously it was elevated

1780
01:07:24,829 --> 01:07:23,039
but I don't see how I saw that light

1781
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:24,839
um I could see how I could see it coming

1782
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,180
out of the craft but I can't see how I

1783
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:28,799
saw it hit the ground

1784
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:32,760
that's it thank you so much and if you

1785
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:34,619
yourself have had an interesting

1786
01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:36,299
encounter I love to have these little

1787
01:07:41,329 --> 01:07:38,520
Clips there I like to keep them to about

1788
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,339
15 minutes or so please contact me at

1789
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,280
Martin podcast

1790
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:46,440
ufo.com and we'll get a conversation

1791
01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:49,920
going and see if uh everything uh works

1792
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:52,500
for one of those clips as well

1793
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:54,599
um thank you so much everyone and again

1794
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:57,660
we have uh Gunter uh Hoff on next week

1795
01:08:01,980 --> 01:07:59,880
and it should be a very interesting show

1796
01:08:07,309 --> 01:08:01,990
remember to keep your eyes to the sky

1797
01:08:07,319 --> 01:08:12,470
thank you